Lowden Swing lock

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Posted on January 26, 2018 Hi,

Just purchased this guy. Got it all figured out BUT …… how did the dudes move the swing lock on the top to lock & release the drop pulley? Did they tie something to it? There’s not a lotta room in there with the track. I think i’s C wear marks if something was tied 2 the lock. did something hit the up going spikes? Help please.

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THIS IS A LOUDEN 23 ON THE SLIDER BAR. CLICK ON IT AND THEN CLICK CATALOG PAGE. YOU WILL SEE THE OVERHEAD TRIP THAT ACTIVATES THE FORK PULLEY. SORRY, I AM REFERRING TO LOUDEN, UNDER THE RESEARCH TAB OF WEBSITE.
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Louden Machinery Co. vs. Janesville Hay Tool Co

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Posted on August 20, 2016 In researching my carrier, I came across a court case between Louden and Janesville Companies. Circuit court of appeals, Seventh Circuit, Oct 2, 1906. Patent infringement.

I am just learning about Hay Carriers, but I really thought this was interesting on describing parts and such.

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MANY THANKS FOR YOUR POST

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Louden General Catalogs

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Posted on August 1, 2016 Louden General catalog No. 46 1916
https://archive.org/stream/loudenhayunloadi00loud#page/n3/mode/2up
Page 9-32 Hay Carriers
Page 32 Putting up Hay Carriers
Page 174 Tracks, Track Hangers, etc
Page 229 Price Lists

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Louden General catalog No. 5 — Canadian circa 1917-1918
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I cannot find a year on it.

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Louden Senior Restoration

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Posted on July 31, 2016 I found your forum here after working on a barn teardown yesterday, gaining a couple good finds from it… and wanting to research what on earth I now had.

These photos are from yesterday…..
A friend and I were given a 1920’s (?) eight cow dairy barn to tear down. Initially it looks not too bad until you go to the south end of the barn and find that 1/4 of the roof is torn off and half the wall is missing — the bottom half— and 1/4 of the loft floor. It is located in the rainy Pacific NW after all. I don’t know about this location, but at my house we get 90-120″ of rain a year, and this barn has been opened to the elements for at least 20 years. My friend gets the barn to reassemble (with a few new parts) at his place, but my reward for this crazy wonderful endeavor is the hay trolley system, and the brick from the milkhouse to make my new root cellar at my place. and learning how to dissemble a building to put back up again.

This is what we were up against. This is the floor of the loft which was crashed down about 8 feet from where it ought to be.
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This is what it looked like hours after jacking it back up into place. We have to restore this part of the floor in order to walk on it in the loft to start tearing down the roof, trusses, hay trolley track and ect. Yes, we have to rebuild part of the barn to take it apart. After this photo was taken we placed another huge beam under all of these timbers and braced everything.
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This is looking up through one of the holes in the loft floor (it looks awesome in this photo, trust me, it is all rotten out) at the complete hay carrier complete on its rail. We took all of it down but the rail. It is 20ft above the loft floor. We had to haul 1″ plywood sheets up there for stability for the ladder (and us). When we went to go see this barn for the first time, I seem to be the only one who noted there was this beauty in the loft. The owners took everything out of the barn they wanted, so this is MINE!!!
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After shoring up the barn in a few places (the photos above were not the only places which needed bracing), we decided to take the trolley down. I believe this is a Louden Adjustable Senior Hay Trolley Carrier (please correct me if I am wrong). The Barn Owls are not going to be happy that they are losing one of their perches, but then again, they are going to be losing their whole barn within the month. We are going after the track at the same time we are taking the roof off the barn.

It has numbers 1717 on it, as well as 1804. I saw another similar to it on this forum, but it had the number 1803. I am dubious as that is their year of make. Does anyone know what the numbers denote? Patent numbers? Does anyone have a potential year/s this was made?
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And the Meyers-Ashland (?) 6-tined Hay Grapple.
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My intent is to restore this to working order, if possible, as I have with a few other smaller scale heritage agriculture machines/mechanisms. One of the next barns to dismantle is for me to take home and reassemble, and I would love to have this in my loft for hauling up ~2 ton of hay, once a year.

The wheels are slightly frozen, thankfully the whole thing was under the part of the barn which did not lose it’s roof, and other than a bit of owl poop, it is not bad looking, is not pitted and with a good spray (or three) of WD-40 or some such thing I think it would move nicely. My partner in this teardown wants me to keep it in the patina it is in, but I think it is calling for me to sand blast it, and repaint it red (I think that is the original colour since it has a bit still on it).

I am trying to find more info on the Meyers Hay Grapple, and I have it in my mind what colours I would like for it, but I want to get other opinion from you experts. I see alot of topics on the carriers themselves, but little on the things they hefted. Can we start a thread on those too?

The next task is to take the roof tin off at the same time as taking the track down. I have not identified what kind of track it is, other than metal, not wood. It too, is in good shape.

This is my first Hay Trolley and I can feel the addiction (I am also addicted to fanning mills too)

Cedar

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I am back to working on the Hay Trolley and Grapple as of today. I got it back from the sandblaster today, where it has been sitting for a year, as due to kafuffles I was not able to go get it until now. It took more than wire brushing, so I sent it off.

I decided to not leave it with the patina I found it with, and I have inquires out to various museums to see if they can tell me what the original colours of these would have been. He hit it again to touch it up. I was AMAZED!! It looked brand new. The man who did the sandblasting for me, said that it did indeed pretty much look like that new. It took 300lbs of blasting material to make it feel refreshed.

The photos above as how and where I found it.

This photo below is how I saw them today, after they had been sandblasted
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How it looked straight from the sandblasters
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And after I started to primer it today. I have to go get more primer tomorrow. I did not get all of the hay grapple done. This photo was trying to show the color difference of the primer and the bare metal. It eventually got two coats today. It must be the sunlight, as it is much greyer than the white-ish it shows in the photo. When I was painting it, it was difficult to tell where I had already painted.
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And after I started to primer it today. I have to go get more primer tomorrow. I did not get all of the hay grapple done. This photo was trying to show the color difference of the primer and the bare metal. It eventually got two coats today. It must be the sunlight, as it is much greyer than the white-ish it shows in the photo. When I was painting it, it was difficult to tell where I had already painted.

WHY did I want this? I actually did not know I wanted a hay trolley, but I looked up into the dark loft of the barn, saw it, and I wanted to give it a working home. Someday I will have a barn again (hopefully a salvaged elderly one), and I want it in my barn as a functional antique. Both my museum quality fanning mills were ruined due to the kafuffle, but I will start collecting mid-sized farm things again. But while some people collect tractors as antique farm stuff, I tend to collect the stuff which is still usable (or can be made so) and show the next generations. I have several messages and emails into different museums around the country to see what the original colours where on these items. But like painting the bee-hives, this is one of my ‘in-between’ the other projects. But I had to hurry and get primer on it, as it literally could start rusting again overnight.

It had been hanging in that barn 96 years.

Cedar

 

Got a little further along on my restoration. Eventually this will be restored to working condition. It is able to lift 1,200lbs (the complete trolley system, not just this part of it, and I have no intention of using it for that much weight). I want to get the lettering on, but in reality, I need to loosen the track wheels, retap them, white grease them, etc. before I get to do the artsy stuff, as paint is going to have to retouched after taking the stuck parts out I am sure. I had a machinist tell me a little secret about my track wheels today, which made them even cooler. But this section of the trolley is done (other than the bolt and nut which are in a bucket 70 miles away), so I did one side of the lettering, will wait for that to dry overnight, and letter the other side tomorrow or so.

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I know it seems kinda weird, but little cheap projects like this, are what is keeping my ‘sanity’ for the last two years, since multiple other projects have been stymied for various reasons.

Antique Hay Trolley & Grapple, entire 100-some feet of track, trips, and blocks = Free Salvage
Sandblasting = $40
Primer – $6.99
Paint x3 = $14
Model Paint = negligible amount of money
Paintbrush = Already had.
around $60 project.. .

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Louden Easy Lock

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Posted on May 30, 2016 Hi all,
I’m new to trolleys and new to this site. I’d like to ask for a little help. I’ve just acquired a Louden Easy Lock trolley. I’ve looked everywhere I can think of and I can’t find any information on this model. Is it really rare or maybe really common? I’ve attached a couple of pictures. Any help with any information will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
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Wow!! Thanks sooooo much! I’ll keep looking in the Louden research section as well.
Leo

 

I just recently acquired a Louden Easy Track myself. Do you know what pulley’s were used for it?
Nick

 

Uses the louden sling set pulleys shown in the ad.
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Louden-stamped 1803 and “ADJUSTABLE”

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Posted on February 29, 2016 Hello. I’m new to hay trolley collecting. I have a Ney but just got my hands on this beauty. Other than basic Louden info it’s stamped adjustable across the top “bar” and then 1803 on the left side of the second bar section. There might be other detail I’m missing, it’s fresh with dirt dobbers and bird poop. I literally just pulled this out of the barn today, it needs some cleaning for sure! Here is a pic of both sides. Any one know how old it might be or other info? Thanks!
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Every thing looks in order on this Louden. It is one of the hardest working and most highly respected of the hay trolleys. Thousands of farmers bet their crops of this working wonder. I look forward to seeing what you do with this. This trolley would have been most likely red out of the factory.

Made in Fairfield, Iowa, things begin for this model at around 1890’s and they are run for a long long time.
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Great trolley, as King Harvest said, it was without a doubt, one of the most successful trolley’s ever made! I cut my teeth collecting with Louden Jr’s, great find!
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LOUDEN SENIOR CABLE TROLLEY–ONLY 3 TURNED UP LAST 16 YEARS–RARE–ITS A LONG STORY

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Posted on February 22, 2016 At the first hay trolley meet ten years ago, Terry Wilson (Tom’s dad) shows up with a Louden Sr cable and asked “ever see one of these?” the answer from the group was “no”. Someone had taken it apart and put it back wrong so that the pulley would not go in the trolley. I told Terry “ lets go in my shop and I’ll get it straighten it all out.” So the hunt began. Only one in ten years came on e-bay. Jim Gray beat me to it, so as was the custom in those days, I did not bid. I restored it for Jim hoping he would forget I had it, but believe me he has a very good memory….well at least i got to touch one.

At our ten year show my friend Ed Wilford showed up with… guess what, yes, a Louden Sr cable car he picked up at an antique store for $65. i told Ed i have been looking for one for ten years and if he would come up to my garage at the house I would make him forget about that trolley fast. It worked and Ed became the new owner of a Fowler value $750 plus a Gardner rod car value $250. Fortunately for me, Those chassis had cost me quite a bit less all those years back when I found them. Seemed fair, since Ed had paid only $65! We were both happy, happy, happy.

You have to see Jr. and a Sr. cable side by side. The jr is common….. the Sr? Impossible!
Steve

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Louden All-Wood Slider Maybe?

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Posted on February 4, 2016 I bought this a few years back at an auction, and had it at the show in May. I wanted to get some opinions as to who the possible manufacturer was. While it is entirely possible that it was home-made/small shop made, it sure has a lot of characteristics of a Louden in my opinion. Such as the metal strap and that is the same as on the other Louden wood carriers, also same style of fasteners. Also has a similar color scheme as well, what is still visible. I know Steve has also mentioned the similarities to the early Rundles which is also very possible.

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Nate that is really amazing. Incredible that there is still some original paint and pinstriping on it. I will try and hunt through some early patents and see if we can come up with something similar.
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Hopefully you can find something I missed, but looked at nearly 500 trolley patents and haven’t seen what I think it was yet.
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patent drawings aren’t always exact
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Maybe?
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I hadn’t really given much consideration to the Buck patent as it runs inside of the track similar to many of the NY carriers. But it is an IL patent which is where it came from (northern IL vs. southern IL, but better than halfway across the country) and it has some other similar design qualities. I would still liken it closer to W. Louden’s early patents such as 75,686 & 84,127.
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Here is a picture of an original condition Louden, pin striping is very similar, as is strap/hardware.
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Your right Nate there are some similarities to the early Loudens. There are some differences as well. Looking at or hunting for that really early advertising might be the best bet at this point. No matter what it is , it does not look homemade to me. Its a great early trolley.
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NATE CAN WE GET A BOTTOM PHOTO, ITS THE ONLY VIEW MISSING. LOOKS LIKE A LOUDEN WITH OUT THE ROPE BREAK. I AM SURE AS LOUDEN MOVED FROM OLD LOUDEN “NUMBER 1” TO THE COMMERCIAL VERSION THERE WERE MANY DESIGN CHANGES—THIS MAY BE ONE
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O.K. AFTER LOOKING CLOSE AT THE FIRST 3 LOUDEN PATENTS. THE FIRST HAS NO ROPE BREAK. THE SECOND 2 PATENTS HAVE A ROPE BREAK. SO–I WOULD SAY YOUR SLIDER IS THE FIRST VERSION OF THE “OLD NO 1” TROLLEY. THE HOLE IN THE ONE END IS A ROPE TIE FOR THE RETURN WEIGHT. LOOK AT THE PATENT DATES, THE ROPE BREAK WAS ADDED SIX MONTHS LATER. SO THIS FIRST COMMERCIAL VERSION IS LIKELY VERY RARE. THE COLOR, ROPE WHEEL, THE IRON STRAPPING AND PINSTRIPE, ALL POINT TO LOUDEN. LAST POINT, ALL OF LOUDEN’S EARLY COMMERCIAL TROLLEYS WERE WOOD SLIDERS OF THIS BASIC DESIGN.
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While it kills me to shoot a hole in your theory Steve, there is one problem. My pictures somehow conveniently hid the that fact that it does indeed have a rope break. So with that information I would have to say it most resembles the 2nd (75,686) patent, as the rope break places after the 1st (69,107) patent, but most likely before the more sophisticated design of the 3rd (84,127) patent.
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If I had to place it, my guess would put it’s production between Old No. 1, and your wood slider which you have pictured above. This would make sense and maintain Louden’s claim of Old No. 1 being the first production carrier.

On another note has anyone ever seen a surviving example of Old No. 1?
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I AGREE, NOW THAT I SEE THE ROPE BREAK. THE DOWEL ON ROPE MUST GO UP INSIDE THE TROLLEY AND WEG BETWEEN THE WHEEL AND THE ROPE BREAK. GREAT TIMING ON THE DISCUSSION I WILL PUT IT ON THE SLIDER BAR IN THE NO. 2 POSITION. NOW THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE CELEBRITY STATUS OF YOUR SLIDER, IF YOU CONCUR ,I WILL NEED TO GET IT PHOTO GRAPHED FOR THE RESEARCH SECTION OF HTH. MAYBE WE CAN DO IT AT DOUG’S IF YOU MAKE SHOW THIS YEAR. I AM SURE WE COULD GET BARRY TO DO A DRAWING AT THE SAME TIME.

I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE “OLD NO 1”. THE LATE TERRY WILSON HAD 2 COMMENTS YEARS AGO, FIRST THERE MAY HAVE ONLY BEEN ONE NO 1, AND SECOND “WEEBER WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FABRICATE THE OLD NO 1” SO WE CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS. STILL ONE MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO. LOL
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Glad, to finally have an answer on it! Still not sure if a trip to NE will be in the cards this year or not, but a trip to Iowa City is overdue anyways, so you’ll be hearing from me in the next couple months. As far as making replica’s go, luckily making Old No. 1 is probably on the easier side of things, I’ve got a couple idea on this I’d like to discuss with you next time we visit. Many thanks as always, I’d still be living in the dark ages without your help!
Nate

 

What a fascinating conversation between you gentlemen! You are so intent on sharing your knowledge, and your research is astounding! This has been an incredible contribution to the Forum! Thank you all.
David

 

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Clint, I’m not sure how you keep finding this new information, but somehow saying thanks doesn’t seem enough!
This sure looks like you have provided the proof we concluded on! Ironically enough I had dubbed it Old #2 as a joke, but it turns out closer than I thought haha!
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